yeah mm hmm With the light emanating and all the psychology is the divine psychologies and that demonic psychologies which

are emanating from those services and they are literally coming you know from that light and

what is really happening is through your retina that when this light is translated into a language visual language

in your brain That is where in the messages are encoded and this is only you know

some marks left on the artwork to show you know that the artist was here So this is

like your signature signature But I don't actually That's funny I don't see a signature except that

of course once you know your work then you know that it's Jamali So so you don't need to have

a signature That's good That's fabulous I like that very much And he gives so she gives it

a shape and then he puts it up on a Pakistan and then the society you know they

come and they pay homage They revere in their bar And that humanizes that connects them

with their own specs with their own sorts They're humanized I think part of the excitement that I

felt when I first discovered the first paintings of Jamali was I felt like this has to be a great

artist and I felt like it's somebody that I have not heard of before this time And I

felt excited because I felt like I was on the brink of a discovery of

a great great artist a I want to stress here that when I'm doing the dancing I am literally

doing that cosmic dance which I really which I see in this desert If we look around

then we see that there is a lyrical movement You know sometimes there's a chaotic lyrical

book All ritualistic art is done only for one and only one purpose And that is

the death of the old So this image of uh the death of the bird or the death

of the bird of the soul which is the phoenix happens you know in the

in the desert And only when one kills one's own ego that one finds God's

ego in one's heart And that of course is the true birth of man Mm