Spirit!

The purpose of this unit is to help you gain

a greater understanding of the universe, yourself

and your client, as spiritual beings, as well as help you develop

your connection to spirit and your ability to connect with your client

at this level.

In order to study spirit,

(like what is that? Studying Spirit?)

it's important to clarify terminology.

This area by its very nature,

can be controversial and sensitive, and it's not our place to dictate

what anyone else should or shouldn't believe.

The individual beliefs of your clients will vary greatly.

You may think that because of what you believe

and the way that you work, you'll only attract like-minded clients.

This is not the case. So, it's important to establish

what your client's beliefs are, so you can talk to them

from their frame of reference, not your own.

And although their beliefs

might be quite different from what we're discussing in this course,

this work can be just as valuable and effective for them.

You can even do a past life regression with people

that don't believe in past lives, but more on that a lot later.

So, relating to your client.

When broaching

the subject of spirituality with your client,

begin with "What do you believe?"

"Are you religious?"

"Do you believe there's anything after you die?"

Or "When you're dead, you're dead?"

Because a lot of people,

I know that sounds blunt, but a lot of people don't know

how to broach the subject

or even do I go there? Because it's...

What do they say?

That you don't talk about... religion.

What is it? Politics?

All of that. Yeah.

And so, a lot of people are a bit

hesitant to broach the subject.

And you might go, well, clearly they must believe in something,

this is called Soul Based Therapy

and my clinic is called Soul's Destiny.

I teach Soul Based Therapy, and yet

I get clients that don't believe in anything.

Well, not anymore.

But anyway, I did.

And so you might go...

"Well, how does that happen?"

You could have a client referred.

So one of your clients happens to work

in a building, and the person next to them

at the coffee machine is saying, I'm having problems with this, this and this.

You should see so-and-so.

That would really help.

And of course, you can, because you're really going to be amazing.

Already amazing.

But that person doesn't

necessarily have any spiritual beliefs.

They might not have got to the stage where they're

looking at something like that

or they've grown up with religion being rammed down their throat.

So this people come from all walks of life.

I also find you attract clients

that you need at that time as well.

And it may be that you attract a client that

isn't on that path yet

or won't be on that path for this lifetime.

For whatever reason,

because you need the challenge

of thinking outside the square and using your skills

in a way that isn't dependent on them,

you know, being like-minded.

Okay.

So just being open to you could get anything.

Now, the reason I say that it's important to broach

the subject is

I don't see that

as any different to gaining other information about your client.

The more you can know about your client,

the more you are... on this... on their page,

and you're

not trying to get them to fit into your itinerary

of how it should be, how a session should go.

So a spiritual... the spiritual

aspect of someone is

an important thing to understand.

I also think it's important

if someone says, " I don't believe in that stuff."

Be very careful not to judge them

as well.

Maybe they're a new soul.

They're not evolved enough yet

to be exploring this.

Don't presume to know.

We cannot know another soul's path.

It could well be that they are

the almost finished incarnating for all we know.

And they have to have an incarnation where they totally cut off from that.

I'm just making something up there, but you know, we don't know.

So don't presume to know.

So if they say they don't know.

Going back to you've asked them what their beliefs are.

Quite a common answer is, "Well,

I don't really know, but I'm kind of open.

But I haven't really looked into it a lot"

or "I haven't decided yet."

Explain to them how important

it is to believe in something.

Believing in anything gives people a reference for their behaviour

and a greater purpose to their existence.

So even believing that

if someone's adamant that we knew they were dead,

that's still a belief

and that's where they're coming from.

And that's okay.

So then you would explore that.

So, okay, when you're dead, you're dead.

So how then do you feel about your life?

Does it feel purposeful

or does it feel like,

what a waste of time?

What on earth am I doing all this for?

Because when I'm dead, I'm dead.

Okay, So it's.

It's also then will have is that relate

to their life experience.

But if they seem open, it's quite okay

to share in brief what you believe.

And perhaps they'd like to sit with that and see what, if anything, resonates.

Gives them permission to throw out what doesn't work for them.

We are not here to preach.

Please don't turn into preachers

and force our beliefs on other people

and not our knowledge

does not have to be the same as others.

Sorry, our knowing.

Big difference between knowing and knowledge. Our knowing is ours.

That's why we call it our knowing.

So it doesn't have to be the same.

There is no right and wrong,

so we might believe something and someone else seems to believe.

Believe something quite, quite different.

It doesn't mean one of you is right and one of you is wrong.

You could both be right.

Just coming from a different perspective.

Due to the nature of this unit,

the information here is from my personal knowing as well as experience

with clients and exposure to research undertaken in this field.

Just as with clients, I am not here to tell you what to believe.

I can only impart to you what I know to be true for me.

So I am open to discussion and this

or every unit really does generate quite a lot of discussion.

But you know, there could

be different ideas thrown around

certainly in this area.

So, you know,

don't be afraid to put forward another way

of looking at it.

So the first thing... Does anybody have any questions on that

and the relating to the client because it is actually very important

and it's... it... it's also part of

later on when we're doing counselling and we're talking

about trust and rapport,

it's important in the rapport building

how you go about this

because it can be a very sensitive subject.

I, I think like

how did this happen?

Sort of like a couple of times leading up to this course since I've been road.

So there was the mechanic who I told him I was road to

in my therapy, and he said his belief was when you're dead, you're dead.

So that was like, that really jolted me.

I hadn't heard it before, but it was good to hear it.

And then I had I was at a music thing just recently

and a girl was talking about spirituality and, you know, healing that I've had.

I don't know.

I just going to these things with people.

And she was just like, I am not into that anything spirit.

And she was just like, she really was like, I don't want to hear about it.

And it's sort of, again, jolted me.

And it made me realize like, yeah, I do need to be a bit more cautious

with how I approach things.

So it's good to have that right...Especially if you haven't happened to have a

like a friendship

network or your area of the people you mix with.

If they're... if they have similar beliefs to you, you forget

that not everybody's like that.

With this girl had been brought up.

It really just seemed like it was a definite order to even to...

and she couldn't even go and see anyone that was like massage.

That was a healer.

But then afterwards, you know, our friendship has grown and evolved.

And I sit at the coffee shop and she's really lovely.

She gives me a hug and it's all good, but I just had to have that understanding.

Yeah. Okay.

I'm going to be careful about what I'm sort of like talking

about putting out there to the discussion.

Yeah, and more and more

how assertive you are and, and well, this is the way it is because that can...

Yeah. Upset people too.

When people are being condescending and rubbish.

What you're trying to say,

How do you deal with that?

Okay.

So Vivek, are you talking about people in your everyday life

that might rubbish your beliefs?

Or if clients come

Clients.When you... when you get clients?

The advantage of being a therapist

with clients is the majority of them

are choosing to come to see you.

So, so long as you handle the situation correctly,

which is what you'll learn throughout the course, how to do that,

you're in a position of authority.

So if somebody is rubbishing you,

then I would tend to be looking at that therapist equally as to why they have

the need to put you down when they've come to you for help.

So there's obviously something going on there for them.

And so that... that is the benefit

with a client,

but it's also about

how much you're

putting on the client for them

to be at the stage where they're rubbishing you for your beliefs.

Do you know what I'm saying?

Like, That's where you have to tread

fairly carefully and ask first

what their beliefs are and if they have beliefs.

It's not about changing their beliefs to yours.

It's about working in their framework.

The only the only time I would suggest

a possible framework is when you've got someone that goes,

"Well, I don't have any beliefs and I don't know what to believe."

but the kind of conveying that they

they would like to they're not saying,

I don't believe that when you did, you did.

They're... they're more open than that.

But they don't know and

you know I particularly if you're advertising spiritual guidance

and things like that, I think it's quite reasonable

to put forward a suggested framework work for

certain elements of

spirituality or even just things like recommend a book

that they might enjoy reading

and it may or may not resonate for them,

like Journey of Souls,

which I know some of you kind have got

had time to read yet.

It is a good introduction to... that to spirituality,

because it's often life changing for people reading that book

because it's written in case studies.

So they're not reading someone's opinion.

Michael Newton did a really good job with that book

in that

he really, throughout that book

doesn't put forward what he believes

he puts forward,

what his experience with clients has been

and leaves it to the reader

to make the decision or not.

And that's why I think it works so well.

You wouldn't know that

he doesn't believe in entities

or didn't.

To pass to my analysis.

But yeah, he didn't share stuff

like that with in the book.

That was more with

students, therapists.

Does that help, Vivek?

Yeah, that's good.Good.

Actually, this one I did want to give one an example.

One example relating to your client.

I was on a plane a few years ago,

Actually...

Seems like a year ago, but I always had a couple

because Covid wiped out a couple of years of my head,

so it was probably a few years ago and

there was a bit of turbulence

and I noticed the girl next to me was starting to freak out a bit,

and I said to her "If it helps...

I've surrounded the plane and... I've just surrounded the plane

in light, in white light." I forget exactly what I said.

She turned around.

She said, "I'm not believing any of that stuff."

It's okay. It's

and then towards the end of the

the end of the flight, she said,

"I couldn't believe how much the turbulence

calmed down after you said you did that."

I just said,

"That's good.

I hope you felt better."

So sometimes it's just about planting the seeds

and it and I'd say, okay, if if someone says

garbage, okay, it obviously doesn't resonate for them.

But she obviously had the time of the flight to sit there and

it seems a lot smoother.